Meditating on Freedom—An Interview with Lilou—The Work of Byron Katie


Lilou: People are really going through hard times with depression and suicide, etc. What is your perception of this?

BK: People are projecting the past and the future in their minds. When you imagine what the future will be, fear is created. Now is the only time we can really live in.

I always say, that if you want a little fear and terror, get a future. I invite people to put their thoughts on a Judge-Your-Neighbor Worksheet. The power of The Work is the answers that arise from the individual doing The Work. As we tap into that knowledge inside us, we find freedom. That’s why inquiry is so powerful. The Work is a beautiful way to peace, and it doesn’t require a teacher.

Lilou: I hear that you received The Work in a moment, kind of like Eckhart Tolle.

BK: The valuable thing about that moment for me was: I saw that when I believed my thoughts I suffered, and when I didn’t believe them I didn’t suffer. I’ve come to see that this is true for every human being. In that moment, it was very clear to me, but when I tried to tell people about it, there was no way it could be described. So the questions take people into that experience.

Lilou: How did you work out this radical shift in yourself with your family?

BK: Well, I had been agoraphobic. After my eyes were opened to reality, my family wondered “Who is this high-functioning and non-reactive woman? What is living in that body we call our mother?” They were constantly waiting for an angry reaction that never came. It was very confusing for them. I invited them to say whatever they wanted to say. They began to introduce me to my old self. That’s how I kept one foot in what I call the dream-world, without being the dream.

Lilou: How do we know if we’re taking the right actions in life?

BK: There’s no argument in your mind. If you choose to turn to the left, or to the right, or do nothing, the worst that can happen is what you’re thinking and believing. All the while you’re on the perfect path.

Lilou: So you’re saying that reality is this movie we’re in, that we’re living, and creating, and everything is right there, as we project it.

BK: Yes, in the moment. The images in our minds, and the thoughts we’re believing about the images, the way we define what we see–all this is happening in the moment. Believing that we’re that image can be terrifying, but if you’re witnessing the images out of a clear mind, they can be incredibly loving, dear, and enlightening.

Lilou: You have that grace and you can describe it, and we want to live there. It seems permanent with you. Some people experiencing The Work have it on and off, so it’s a continuous exercise.

BK: The Work is a practice , and I recommend that people do it every day. I invite people to identify any thought that causes them stress, to write it down, and to question it. Each time people do that, they become clearer, kinder, more loving human beings. And their whole world begins to shift. The world is internal. As the mind shifts, the world shifts. Thoughts create the world, as you perceive it. As the mind continues to question itself, it falls in love with itself and begins to project a beautiful world. This is the opposite of denial. It’s seeing out of your true self. If you see the world as a frightening place, don’t try to change it, look to your own mind.

Lilou: How do we get from the four questions to a nine-day intensive program, your School for The Work? The questions are very direct and simple.

BK: No one needs to come to the School to set themselves free. I make this opportunity available to people who want to immerse themselves in inquiry. It’s a very powerful experience, and almost everyone who comes walks out a transformed person. I hear this over and over. During these nine days, I take people through every possible source of stress, including fear and terror, the physical body, prejudice, gender, sex, communication, relationships, the things they are most ashamed of, and God. The curriculum is nothing short of radical.

Lilou: To find equilibrium in all areas: Is that what we’re supposed to do? Are we supposed to do The Work on all areas for true happiness?

BK: Yes, because ultimately every area has the potential to cause problems–in other words, to give rise to the unquestioned thoughts that cause our suffering. We have a continuation of the School through the Institute for The Work. It’s an aftercare program that allows people to sit in The Work as a daily practice and as a community that is meditating on those questions.

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Video: Is Money the Problem?

A man investigates his childhood memories of his parents and money. With a little help from Byron Katie, he realizes that his problems with money have all been a misunderstanding. As he questions what he was believing, he is able to see his parents in an entirely different light, and instead of fear, he finds compassion and laughter.

Please Understand Me

“Frank should be more understanding,” a woman thinks. But this thought causes her enormous suffering, because Frank isn’t more understanding. “That’s what happens when we try to control the world,” Byron Katie says. “And all the time we’re the ones who are not being understanding. We’re not applying it to ourselves.”

Once the woman questions this thought and thoughts like it, she begins to understand that there is nothing she needs from Frank—that the only understanding she needs is her own. As Katie says, it takes only one person to have a perfect marriage.

My Father Isn’t Here For Me

A man thinks that his whole life has been scarred by his father’s emotional absence. But when, with Byron Katie’s help, he questions the thought that his father isn’t there for him, he discovers a father he has never known before.

Video: I’m Afraid of Trump

A woman suffering from a deep-seated fear of Donald Trump questions her many thoughts about him. “He will create concentration camps,” she has written on her Judge-Your-Neighbor Worksheet, “cause a nuclear war, and ruin the environment. I want him to not be president, to disappear, or at least to get a better, kinder set of cabinet members. He should step aside and offer the space to Hillary Clinton or another Republican candidate. Trump shouldn’t say things that are racist, sexist, able-ist, homophobic, and xenophobic.”

Slowly, with Katie’s help, she questions these terrifying thoughts, sometimes with the help of the audience, and the heaviness of the thoughts begins to dissolve. After completing the inquiry, she has a moment of insight, as she realizes that it is the thoughts that create her fear, not Trump. She proceeds to tear up her Worksheet in a flourish of delight, to cheers from the audience. Katie turns to her with a smile and says, “You’ve just made America great again!”

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Video: Donald Trump Frightens Me

Dixie is frightened by Donald Trump because she’s afraid he will dismantle Obamacare and Social Security, ruin our economy, deport her immigrant neighbors, undermine the effort to combat global warming, abolish women’s reproductive rights, put us at risk of nuclear war, risk planetary destruction, and take away her hope for our country.

As Byron Katie helps her question her fears, Dixie begins to understand how it’s the images in her mind that frighten her, not Donald Trump. “When we believe our thoughts,” Katie says, “we’re hypnotized. This very moment is the only opportunity we have to make real change. The gift of life goes on no matter what you’re thinking and believing. Reality is always kinder than the story we’re believing about it.”

Follow-up message from Dixie: “For the first time since November 8th, I am meeting the new morning on its own terms. And as a result, in this moment, all is well in “my kitchen.'”

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Video: How to Live a Happy Life

Byron Katie is interviewed by CsetykSobe.cz, along with a Czech/English translator. Katie supports them to get in touch with thoughts that cause them stress and may be running their life–thoughts like “My friend should change,” “My son is arrogant,” “People really don’t care,” There’s no way I can get this job done,” “Life is unfair.” All these stressful thoughts have a powerful affect on the way we see others and the world.

“When I ask myself ‘Is it true?’ and meditate on the question,” Katie says, “I become enlightened to a whole other experience. I can see the world in an entirely new way. This is happening for hundreds of thousands of people on the planet in many languages. And why do we believe these thoughts? We have an identity that we’ve established. We have to believe the thoughts in order to keep the construct of this identity together. When we start to question these thoughts, our identity begins to fall away, leaving us more enlightened, self-aware, and free. We either believe our thoughts or we question them; there’s no other choice.”

“If I have the thought ‘He doesn’t care about me,’ and I notice how I treat him when I believe that, it’s very different from how I treat him when I believe ‘He does care about me.’ Once I have done The Work on that negative judgment, the next time I meet him, I’m balanced, connected, and interested. I am now an excellent listener who can grow and expand through this meeting with him. And having questioned the judgment, I am now more open and connected with every human being I meet.”

“When we do The Work, our world changes, because the way we see the world has changed. Only I can free my mind. No one has the power to cost me my freedom but me. I invite you to question the thoughts that are depressing you.”

When we question our beliefs, we open ourselves up to a world that is unlimited. —Byron Katie

Czech Introduction to The Work: http://thework.com/sites/thework/downloads/little_book/Czech_LB.pdf

Czech Judge-Your-Neighbor Worksheet:  http://thework.com/sites/thework/downloads/intl/jyn_czech.pdf

Czech Website: http://thework.com/sites/thework/cesky/

Video: My Mother Doesn’t Want to Know Me

A woman does The Work on a moment in time when she was texting with her estranged mother. Her belief at that moment is “My mother doesn’t want to know me.”

BK: We’re meditating on “She doesn’t want to know me”—is it true?” The answer is always one syllable: yes or no. Notice the other thoughts that arise around this, and gently go back to the question. Do you see images of you and her in the past and the future? Is that you or imagination?

Together, they question statements like “I want my mom to acknowledge me,” “I want her to admit that she screwed up,” “She should apologize for the past,” “She shouldn’t expect me to parent her,”and “She should admit she’s a psychopath.”

“You cannot experience rage unless you’re in a movie.”  —Byron Katie

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Video: Fathers Don’t Die

A young woman states “I’m devastated because my father is dead.”  Byron Katie asks her “How do you react when you believe that thought?”

Woman: When I believe that thought, I feel sick, I imagine his pain, I feel powerless.
BK: Where does your father live now?
Woman: In my mind.
BK: Where did he live before he died? Same place.

Together, they investigate thoughts like “I want him to be alive,” “He should be at peace,” “He’s gone forever,” and “He’s the provider.”

If you go slow and meditate on what you’ve written on your Worksheet, one beloved assumption at a time, what answers these questions will wake you up.  —Byron Katie

Website: http://www.thework.com

Video: Is Money the Problem?

A man investigates childhood memories of his parents fighting over money. With a little help from Byron Katie, he realizes that his problems with money have all been a misunderstanding. As he questions what he is believing, he was able to see his parents in an entirely different light, finding compassion and laughter instead of fear.

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Video: I Need to Do It All

Sameer from London believes that he needs to do it all or he won’t survive, even though he knows it’s not true. “The ego loves the thought ‘I know it’s not true,'” Byron Katie explains. “That immediately tells me that I need to Work that thought, since I really don’t know what’s true for me until I question it.”

After Sameer questions the thought, Katie suggests a turnaround: “I will be able to do it all, and I won’t survive.” “That feels really uncomfortable,” Sameer says. “I have a fear of being nothing.”

“It’s just identity we’re dealing with,” Katie says. “It’s not the life and death of the body, but of who you believe you are,” Katie says. “In this moment, while we are talking together, the world is what it should be, and it’s comforting to realize that it doesn’t need me at all.”

“I love the thought that I don’t need to survive,” Sameer says.

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Video: My Son is Weird—Is It True?

A young mother is pained by what she perceives as her son’s weirdness and she wants him to be “normal;” more like the other kids. With Katie’s gentle guidance, she meditates on her unquestioned thoughts for the first time, watches them unravel, and finds her prescription for happiness in turnarounds such as “I should stop being weird to my son in front of other children” and “I should know how to fit in.”  Through tears and laughter, she sees that she might just be the mother of a really happy kid.

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